What do pastries have to do with environmental justice? Cat butts with the climate crisis? And what US president ate a half-chewed piece of salmon leftover from a bear on reality TV?

Grab a pencil (and maybe a pint?) and get ready for the inaugural Outside/In trivia episode we’re calling “Natural Selection.” We’ve got a game called “Guess That Animal!” We’re testing our panel’s knowledge on the environment in movies and music. And, maybe, we’ll learn a thing or two along the way about environmental policy, past and present.

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Host: Nate Hegyi

Trivia panelists: Nate Hegyi, Justine Paradis, and Hannah McCarthy from Civics 101

Reported, produced, and mixed by Felix Poon

Editing by Taylor Quimby

Our staff includes Marina Henke and Jessica Hunt.

Executive producer: Taylor Quimby

Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio

Music by Jules Gaia, Arthur Benson, Stationary Sign, and Ludvig Moulin.

Our theme music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Felix Poon: Nate's the one who's gonna start. But, you know, just just to just to warm up. How's everyone doing today? How are we feeling?

Nate Hegyi: Good. Caffeinated. Ready to go. It's still morning here in Alaska, so I'm doing morning trivia.

Justine Paradis: It's morning in Alaska. Morning in Alaska.

Felix Poon: Trivia has always done at night time, right?

Hannah McCarthy: If it's good. Yeah.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah, exactly.

Justine Paradis: If it's gonna be fun.

Felix Poon: Okay, so nighttime vibes where it's nighttime right now.

[MUX IN: Peach Faygo by Jharee]

Hannah McCarthy: Yeah.

Justine Paradis: It's like I have a cocktail in here. Yeah, that would be so great. I would love a cocktail.

Nate Hegyi: Hey, I am Nate Hegyi, and this is Outside/In a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. And today, these two worlds are gonna be colliding in one of my favorite formats. Random trivia questions. Now, I've said on the show before that I love a good brew pub trivia night. So here we are. Minus the beers. Lots of coffee instead. And today our game Master will be none other than producer Felix Poon. Felix, have you ever done this before?

Felix Poon: Never. No. This is my first time.

Nate Hegyi: Are you excited? Do you feel confident about your questions?

Felix Poon: Oh, I feel confident, I feel confident.

[MUX OUT]

Nate Hegyi: Besides myself, we have two other contestants. Uh, Justine Paradis. Justine. Hello.

Justine Paradis: Hi, hi.

Nate Hegyi: And a special guest from our NHPR sister podcast, Civics 101. We've got co-host Hannah McCarthy. Hannah, I know you've done trivia episodes on your show. How are you on environmental topics?

Hannah McCarthy: Well, we're going to find out. I will I'll say right, right at the top here. I tend to get anxious during trivia, and even if I know the answer, I'm not going to know it. Just so, just so everyone knows. I really do know all the answers.

Felix Poon: Same here. Hannah. Same here.

Nate Hegyi: See, I feel like I always do bad at trivia. It's not. I just like. I just like it. I like seeing other people shine. I'm so excited to see you all shine and to see me fail miserably.

Justine Paradis: Oh.

Nate Hegyi: Okay. Felix, take it away.

Felix Poon: Okay, so I figured I'd warm us all up with a practice question. Uh, I'm going to ask the question, and then I'll give you each a chance to make a guess before I tell you the answer. And whoever gets the answer right gets a point. Are you ready?

Justine Paradis: I thought it was practice. This is for points.

Felix Poon: I was just trying to ease your nerves. You know, it's just a practice, but you get points. Um. So. Okay.

Justine Paradis: But it counts.

Felix Poon: For as long as there has been TV acting U.S. presidents have been appearing on the small screen. But only one commander in chief traveled to an Alaskan glacier to star in a survival skills reality TV show.

Bear Grylls: I think the president looked a little surprised when I pulled out this sort of bloody carcass of half eaten salmon.

Felix Poon: Who was the president? And I'm going to give each of you a chance to answer this. And then after you each go, I'm gonna tell you the answer. So who was the president starting with Hannah? What's your guess?

Hannah McCarthy: Well, I'm going to go with, because this seems very silly. My guess is President Selina meyer's from Veep.

Felix Poon: Justine.

Justine Paradis: I was gonna say it sounded kind of contemporary, and, uh, this feels like something that, like, George W Bush would do. Like. I'm out. Like, went on the big Navy carrier, right? Yes. Like, I feel like he might also want to prove his bona fide survival skills. So I'm going to say George W Bush.

Hannah McCarthy: Oh, is this supposed. I thought this was supposed to be a fictional president?

Felix Poon: No, this is a real president.

Hannah McCarthy: Oh.

Justine Paradis: Oh, I thought you were being silly.

Hannah McCarthy: No, no, I completely misunderstood the question. This is why this is a practice round.

Hannah McCarthy: It's a practice.

Felix Poon: Okay, Nate.

Nate Hegyi: I know this one. This is Barack Obama.

Barack Obama: The fact that he told me that this was a leftover fish from a bear. I don't know if that was necessary. He could have just left that out.

Felix Poon: Nate got it right.

Justine Paradis: Hey.

Felix Poon: So the TV show was called Running Wild with Bear Grylls, and apparently it was the White House's idea to have Obama on the show. Um, they were surrounded by, like, handlers and special forces. Um, and someone like, who was, like, kind of hovering over Obama as he was eating the salmon just to make sure, like it was okay.

Justine Paradis: There are no parasites in that salmon, right?

[MUX IN: Jubilation by Jules Gaia]

Felix Poon: So even though he ate a bear chewed piece of salmon in the episode, Obama did decline to drink his own urine like Will Ferrell did on a previous episode.

Justine Paradis: It's probably the right choice for the sitting US president.

Nate Hegyi: Exactly. Alrighty, folks, grab some paper, a pencil, maybe a pint. Because today on Outside In, producer Felix Poon is piloting a new trivia segment we are calling Natural Selection. Are we calling it Natural Selection? Felix? Is that did you did you come up with that? Was that a was that a Taylor Quimby idea?

Felix Poon: I mean, does anyone have a better name?

Hannah McCarthy: I like that.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah, I think it's clever.

Hannah McCarthy: Yeah.

Felix Poon: Okay. Natural selection.

Nate Hegyi: Stay tuned.

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<<FIRST HALF>>

Nate Hegyi: Hey, I'm your host, Nate Hegyi. This is outside in a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. And today I am on the trivia hot seat with Justine Paradis and Hannah McCarthy of Civics 101. Hey, y'all.

Justine Paradis: Hi.

Hannah McCarthy: Hello.

Nate Hegyi: And though I may be the host of Outside In, I am not the game master today. Producer Felix Poon is. So please begin.

Felix Poon: That is I. I am the game master. We are doing this today because we're inspired by this voicemail we got from Luke in Virginia, who was recently hiking at Camp Roosevelt, where he climbed the Kennedy Peak.

Luke: And it just got me thinking about presidents in the outdoors. I know that Teddy Roosevelt, the very famous outdoorsman president, but I wonder what other things we know about the predilections of presidents and the outdoors. Has any president ever been backpacking, for example? I'd love if Outside In could look into this and figure out, other than Teddy, our famous adventurer who was the most adventuresome president?

Justine Paradis: I feel like I've seen pictures of, like, Reagan out in the backwoods and JFK liked to sail.

Nate Hegyi: You've got, uh, George W Bush cutting brush with a chainsaw.

Felix Poon: He also, uh, is into mountain biking. He used to host a 100 kilometer mountain bike ride for Post-9-11 War Vets.

Hannah McCarthy: Wow.

Felix Poon: Bill Clinton used to jog around the capital about three times a week, and apparently that was a Secret Service nightmare.

Nate Hegyi: Did he really run to McDonald's, or is that just the Saturday Night Live? Does anybody know that one?

JP: No.

HM: No.

Phil Hartman as Bill Clinton: Say you gonna finish these fries?

Woman: Uh no, you want some?

Phil Hartman as Bill Clinton: Well if you’re not gonna eat ‘em.

Felix Poon: All right, well, why don't we go further back in time for our first round of trivia questions?

Hannah McCarthy: Oh, boy.

Felix Poon: You ready for the first question?

Nate Hegyi: Yes.

Hannah McCarthy: Ready?

Felix Poon: Here we go. Teddy Roosevelt is known for being the conservationist president, but his distant cousin, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was also a lover of the outdoors. So here's the first question. Fdr built what he called his little white house in Georgia, near what kind of natural feature, which helped him ease the symptoms of polio. Nate.

Nate Hegyi: Um, I'm going to guess. Hot springs. Some sort of springs.

Felix Poon: Justine.

Justine Paradis: I think hot springs.

Hannah McCarthy: Hannah I'm gonna I'm gonna switch it up a little bit. I'm gonna say near a lake that he would just sort of ease around in.

Felix Poon: The answer is hot springs.

Hannah McCarthy: Oh yeah.

[MUX IN: Jello Walking by Arthur Benson]

Felix Poon: Or as they came to be known in this area, warm Springs because the natural mineral water here was at a constant cozy 88 degrees. And the town itself, where the little white house was built, is called Warm Springs, Georgia.

Justine Paradis: Oh, we got to keep it cozy.

Felix Poon: Okay, moving on to our next question.

[MUX OUT]

What Nebraska born Republican was the only president to assume the two highest offices in the country without actually being elected, and the only president to previously serve as a national park ranger. Justine.

Justine Paradis: Oh, this is where I'm going to look a fool.

Nate Hegyi: Oh, I think I'm going to be right there with you, Justine.

Justine Paradis: Um, the national park system wasn't established until around Teddy Roosevelt. So we're talking after him, right?

Nate Hegyi: Yellowstone was in, like, the 1800s. I think that was the first one. I thought it was the, like, late 1800s that they. Well, at least it was established as a and maybe he was a park ranger before there was a park service.

Justine Paradis: I'm just going to throw. I don't remember which presidents were. They had to assume office after others were assassinated or stepped down. Ford.

Felix Poon: All right. Hanna.

Hannah McCarthy: Gerald Ford. And that's all I'm saying.

Felix Poon: Nate.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah. I mean, that was going to be my my guest as well was Gerald Ford.

Justine Paradis: I picked that out of the air.

Hannah McCarthy: Justine, I'm very impressed.

Felix Poon: Yeah. Gerald Ford points for everyone.

Justine Paradis: So I can't believe that worked. That's crazy.

Felix Poon: Gerald Ford became vice president after Spiro Agnew stepped down, and then he became president once Nixon resigned. Before all of this, though, when he was just 23 years old, he was a national park ranger at Yellowstone, and he called it one of the greatest summers of his life and was known for feeding grizzly bears in front of tourists.

Nate Hegyi: It's a really bad idea. Really, really bad idea.

Justine Paradis: Terrible practice.

Felix Poon: All right, last question on presidents. So we've all probably heard of Camp David, but before Camp David, there was a very rustic presidential retreat called Camp Rapidan in Shenandoah National Park.

What former mining engineer and one term president first had the camp built, and then donated it to the government on his way out of office during the Great Depression. Hannah.

Hannah McCarthy: Oh, uh, Herbert Hoover.

Felix Poon: Nate.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah, I was gonna say Hoover because he left, uh, during the Great Depression.

Felix Poon: Justine.

Justine Paradis: This is boring because. Hoover.

Felix Poon: Herbert Hoover it is. So the retreat he made in Virginia was sometimes called the Brown House. You know, to get away from the white House or it was also called Camp Hoover. Uh, but as I mentioned, Hoover presided over the Great Depression and his love of fishing at Camp Hoover didn't play too well in the public eye. It was sort of the how much time has he spent golfing of the era?

[MUX IN: Tiny Temptations by Arthur Benson]

Nate Hegyi: Okay. Yeah, yeah. Not very popular when he left.

Felix Poon: Yeah. The Brown house, to me sounds almost like it's like a euphemism for, like, an outhouse.

Nate Hegyi: Oh, yeah. I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah? Yeah, that's the outhouse. Yeah, it's Brown House. Exactly.

Felix Poon: Okay. Our next trivia category is climate and the environment in the media. I'm gonna test your knowledge about movies and TV. And this one goes to whoever can shout out the answer first.

Justine Paradis: Scary.

[MUX OUT]

Felix Poon: Here we go. The filmmakers behind this Academy Award winning movie about climate change struggled to come up with a catchy name, but working titles included The Rising and Too Hot to Handle. What was the movie?

Nate Hegyi: An Inconvenient Truth?

Felix Poon: Yes.

Hannah McCarthy: Oh.

Justine Paradis: That won an Academy Award. Wow.

Nate Hegyi: It did it did.

Felix Poon: It won two.

Hannah McCarthy: I did not know that.

Nate Hegyi: What was the oh won best original song, didn't it? Yeah.

Felix Poon: Best original song. And it beat out two songs from the Dreamgirls movie that were sung by Beyonce and Jennifer Hudson.

Nate Hegyi: Wow.

Hannah McCarthy: Are you kidding me?

Justine Paradis: Wait, can we do we have the song? I mean, is it a bop?

Nate Hegyi: Yeah. Who was it? Al Gore singing the song.

Felix Poon: It was, uh, Melissa Etheridge's. I need to wake up.

Melissa Etheridge: I need to move. I need to wake up…

Felix Poon: So director Davis Guggenheim did the taped interviews with Al Gore. So one day he was asking Gore, like, why is this so hard for people to grasp? And Gore goes on and on, and at the end of this long answer, he's like, because it's an inconvenient truth, you know? And that's where the title came from.

Justine Paradis: It was after a long spitball, as it often is. Yeah.

Felix Poon: Okay. Next question. So Don't Look Up is a 2021 satirical Netflix film about a comet as a metaphor for climate change. Which cast member known for their work in other post-apocalyptic dystopian movies, filmed most of the movie with a broken tooth?

Justine Paradis: Oh, Timothée Chalamet.

Hannah McCarthy: Kate Blanchett.

Nate Hegyi: Meryl Streep. Now we're just listing everybody in the movies.

Justine Paradis: Leonardo DiCaprio was in it.

Nate Hegyi: Jennifer Lawrence.

Hannah McCarthy: Jennifer Lawrence.

Nate Hegyi: What other dystopian, I guess. The Hunger.

Felix Poon: Games, The Hunger games.

Nate Hegyi: The hunger games. Okay, okay.

Felix Poon: Yeah, yeah. So J Law broke a tooth early in production, but because of Covid restrictions, she said she couldn't get to the dentist until after the film was shot, so they had to fill in her tooth with CGI in post-production.

Justine Paradis: Oh.

Justine Paradis: Really?

Justine Paradis: Oh, wow.

Justine Paradis: It's like the comet and her tooth were like, the biggest budget items on the post-production.

Nate Hegyi: Can you imagine that job? Like, that's your job in post-production is like, all right, I gotta go through every frame and just fill in this little gap.

Felix Poon: Well, that’s kind of like how in the movie Cats, where they added the buttholes for the cats and then they decided to go back and erase all of them.

[MUX IN: Social Media Stress Out by Stationary Sign]

Justine Paradis: Oh my God.

Felix Poon: Okay. Next question. The epic film Waterworld was set in a future where the polar ice caps have melted.

[MUX OUT]

And most of the film was shot on boats off the coast of Hawaii. But none of the boats had any what on board, which became a pretty cumbersome logistical problem for filming.

Justine Paradis: Bathroom.

Hannah McCarthy: Bathroom. Bathrooms?

Nate Hegyi: Yeah.

Felix Poon: Justine got it first. So anytime someone had to go to the bathroom, they had to be ferried back to shore, which you can imagine, slowed down filming. Waterworld, incidentally, went way, way over budget and was the most expensive movie ever made at the time.

Hannah McCarthy: See, that's interesting, because a plot point in Waterworld is that you have to process and drink your own urine. You'd think that they would have done some real life experience there, but no.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah.

Felix Poon: All right. This next question is about a famous PSA from the 1970s on TV that came to be known as the Crying Indian ad. It shows a man in buckskin and braids and a feather behind his ear Canoeing on a river and then shedding a single tear over the litter and garbage on the riverbanks. Here's the question. While the PSA seems to have a pro-environmental message, it was made by Keep America Beautiful, which represented among other companies, what manufacturer of small disposable paper and plastic cups.

Hannah McCarthy: Dixie.

Justine Paradis: Dixie.

Felix Poon: Yes. Hannah. Got it first. Uh, the Dixie Cup company. Besides the Dixie Cup company, Coca-Cola, the American Can Company, and the Owens-illinois Glass Company formed the Keep America Beautiful organization that was behind the so-called Crying Indian ad. It was an early version of putting the blame on consumers instead of companies.

Justine Paradis: Wow. So like, that was like a carbon footprint moment pre carbon footprint.

Felix Poon: Exactly. And by the way, the actor who played the so-called crying Indian.

Nate Hegyi: Not native.

Felix Poon: Wasn't even indigenous.

Justine Paradis: I said pixie is it Dixie Cup.

Nate Hegyi: Dixie cups.

[MUX IN: The Hiding Game by Arthur Benson]

Justine Paradis: Yeah. Yeah. I got it wrong. Yeah.

Nate Hegyi: Dixie Pixie is a better name than Dixie because they're small. I think that you that you're you're onto something.

Justine Paradis: And because of Dixie.

Justine Paradis: Yeah.

Nate Hegyi: Surprise. That one survived.

Hannah McCarthy: Yeah, I was gonna say.

Felix Poon: All right, we're gonna take a quick break, stretch our legs, get a drink. Uh, but just a preview for what's coming up. When we're back, we're playing a game called Guess That Animal, and we're listening to some songs as well. Plus, I'm gonna quiz you on your climate policy knowledge.

Justine Paradis: Oh, no.

Nate Hegyi: Uh oh.

Justine Paradis: This is where we lose. All our listeners. These are.

Justine Paradis: Frauds. Sorry.

Nate Hegyi: Bye bye.

Nate: Also since we were just talking about movies! Feels like a great time to say that we are scheming up an Outside/In Movie Night episode and we want to hear from YOU.

What is one of your favorite movies that centers nature in a big way? Why do you like it so much? And what sticks with you the most?

Give us a call at 1-844-GO-OTTER or send us a voice memo to outsidein@nhpr.org. Alright, we’ll be right back.

<<MIDROLL BREAK>>

Nate Hegyi: Welcome back to outside in a show where curiosity in the natural world collide. I am Nate Hegyi here today with Justine Parady.

Justine Paradis: Hi.

Nate Hegyi: Oh, God. I'm on the stand. Uh. Hannah McCarthy.

Hannah McCarthy: Hello.

Nate Hegyi: And our trivia game master, Felix Poon. Felix, what's the score, by the way?

Felix Poon: The score is. Justine has four points. Nate has five, and Hannah has three.

Justine Paradis: Yep.

Hannah McCarthy: Sounds about right.

Justine Paradis: That was that Ford shot in the dark.

Nate Hegyi: That's great.

Felix Poon: All right, well, why don't we see if we can shake the scoreboard up a bit? Yeah. And do a lightning round.

Justine Paradis: Oh, no. Lightning round.

Felix Poon: Okay, so the topic for this lightning round is the growls, grunts and yelps of North America. I'm gonna play the sound of an animal native to North America. You have to guess what it is.

Justine Paradis: Oh, fun.

Felix Poon: As soon as you think you know, whoever shouts it out first gets the point.

Nate Hegyi: And then if none of us get the point, Felix, do you just get a negative point? And then we can count all your negative points for having too hard of questions.

Felix Poon: But shouldn't I? What chance do I get to get points?

Nate Hegyi: You don't.

Felix Poon: So I'm just gonna lose.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah, exactly. It makes us feel better.

Felix Poon: Okay, here we go. Lightning rounds. Animal sounds.

Justine Paradis: Coyote. Coyote. Coyote.

Felix Poon: Justine. Got it.

Hannah McCarthy: Oh!

Nate Hegyi: Chipmunk.

Felix Poon: Close.

Nate Hegyi: Squirrel.

Hannah McCarthy: What?

Nate Hegyi: Scroll with a cold.

Felix Poon: It's a porcupine.

Justine Paradis: Porcupine. Wow!

Hannah McCarthy: Wow. Okay. Chipmunk. No!

Nate Hegyi: Pig!

Felix Poon: Close.

Nate Hegyi: Hog.

Justine Paradis: Boar. Wild boar.

Nate Hegyi: Close to a.

Justine Paradis: Uh.

Nate Hegyi: Hippopotamus.

Justine Paradis: Oh, wait.

Justine Paradis: What's the wait? Peccary.

Felix Poon: It's a groundhog.

Nate Hegyi: Groundhogs aren't close to pigs.

Justine Paradis: Wait, how is that close to pigs?

Felix Poon: It's in the name hog.

Nate Hegyi: Oh, Groundhog. I guess what you're saying. Yeah. Okay.

[Elk sound]

Nate Hegyi: Elk.

Justine Paradis: Wow.

Hannah McCarthy: That was beautiful.

Justine Paradis: Yeah, yeah.

Hannah McCarthy: Cicada.

Nate Hegyi: Nice.

Justine Paradis: Oh, nice.

FP: Okay, next one.

Nate Hegyi: Lion.

Justine Paradis: Lion? Native to North America?

Nate Hegyi: Oh, these are native to North America.

Hannah McCarthy: Hippo.

Felix Poon: Close. It's not a hippo, but it's close.

Hannah McCarthy: Close to Hippo. Is this another one of those closes? That's not close.

Felix Poon: It is an alligator.

Hannah McCarthy: Oh, well, I mean. Yeah.

Justine Paradis: Okay.

Justine Paradis: I don't know if these close comments are that helpful.

Felix Poon: Here's the last one.

Justine Paradis: Come on.

Nate Hegyi: Do you have to play that again? One more time.

Felix Poon: One more time.

Justine Paradis: Frog. Chipmunk.

Felix Poon: It was an axolotl.

Justine Paradis: What?

[MUX IN: Knock Knock, Who’s There by Ludvig Moulin]

Hannah McCarthy: Oh, What a cute little sound for a cute little guy.

Felix Poon: Axolotls are amphibians. They live underwater, but sometimes they'll take a gulp of air from the surface, which makes this little squeaking noise.

Justine Paradis: Play it one more time.

Justine Paradis: Cute.

Felix Poon: Okay. That is the end of the lightning Round. Justine got one right for a total of five now. Nate got two right for a total of seven. And Hannah got one more right for a total of four.

Justine Paradis: Hooray!

Justine Paradis: Well, we did okay.

Nate Hegyi: We did all.

Justine Paradis: Right. Yeah.

Felix Poon: Not bad, not bad. Moving on to our next category environmental politics and Activism. First one to answer gets a point. Are you ready?

[MUX OUT]

Justine Paradis: Yes. Yes, sure.

Felix Poon: Here we go. When oil slicks on the Cuyahoga River in Ohio caught fire, it ushered in a wave of environmental activism and regulations and prompted this US president at the time to create the Environmental Protection Agency. Who was the president? Shout it out,

Justine Paradis: Nixon.

Hannah McCarthy: Yeah, I completely forgot about that.

Felix Poon: Republican Richard Nixon signed a lot of landmark environmental legislation into law, including the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, and besides the EPA, he also established NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Justine Paradis: It was a different time.

Felix Poon: It sure was. Okay, so the next couple of these are multiple choice. And this time I'll give each of you a chance to answer like we did in the first half.

Justine Paradis: Nice. I'm into that.

Justine Paradis: Okay.

Felix Poon: Donald Trump's so-called big beautiful bill of this year gutted a lot of the tax incentives meant to decarbonize the energy sector, but not all renewable technologies were targeted. Which of these renewable incentives were left more or less untouched? A hydropower. B geothermal. C solar, wind and nuclear. By the way, there's more than one, but you can only pick one for this question. Uh, Nate?

Nate Hegyi: Okay, I'm gonna pick nuclear because I know it's really popular in some conservative circles, including in Wyoming. So I'm going to go with nuclear.

Felix Poon: All right. Justine.

Justine Paradis: I feel like there's a lot of discussion and political debate around dams. So I'm going to say hydropower.

Felix Poon: Hannah.

Hannah McCarthy: I agree with both of those because I know that the tax credits remained for both nuclear and hydropower. I don't know about the others, but I'll say hydropower.

Felix Poon: All correct. You all get a point. The three answers are hydropower, geothermal and nuclear.

[MUX IN: Urban Conspiracy by Jules Gaia]

New wind and solar projects can still get tax credits, but only if construction begins on or before July 4th, 2026 for commercial projects. For residential solar it has to be installed and functional by December 31 of this year. So if anyone listening is thinking of, installing some solar panels, better get on that soon.

All right. Let's go international now. So lots of famous international environmental agreements have longer wonkier names than the public is used to hearing.

[MUX OUT]

Which of these is not the real name of an international environmental agreement. So we're going to give each of you a chance to answer. Um, okay. Is it a the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone layer? B The Vienna Convention for the protection of the Ozone layer C the Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, or d the Paris Agreement to limit global temperature rise. Justine.

Justine Paradis: B Vienna.

Felix Poon: Hannah.

Hannah McCarthy: I agree, I'm going to say Vienna.

Felix Poon: Nate.

Nate Hegyi: I am also gonna say Vienna, because Montreal, Kyoto and Paris are all just good buzzwords in the climate world. Yeah.

Justine Paradis: Yeah.

Justine Paradis: Recognizable.

Felix Poon: You're all wrong.

Justine Paradis: What?

Felix Poon: So the Paris Agreement is just called the Paris Agreement.

Justine Paradis: Oh my God.

Nate Hegyi: Oh, no. You get a negative one, Felix. Negative one.

Justine Paradis: Sorry.

Hannah McCarthy: Yeah, that's. That's a negative.

Justine Paradis: Negative one. Felix.

Justine Paradis: I kind of liked that. He got.

Justine Paradis: Tricked.

Justine Paradis: Vienna. That's funny. There were two on the ozone.

Felix Poon: Yeah, apparently so. The Vienna Convention for the protection of the ozone layer came first. It was like, oh, let's all start cooperating on, like, gathering data on the ozone layer. And then a few years later, they're like, okay, let's actually decide to do something about it. And then the Montreal Protocol was doing something about it where there were actual commitments to reduce substances that deplete the ozone layer.

Okay, so enough with laws. Let's talk activism. Uh, this one is multiple choice. Let's make this shout it out. When environmental justice champion Hazel Johnson discovered her Chicago housing project was surrounded by a ring of pollution and contaminated water, she compared it to a pastry, referring to it as the toxic. What? And there's going to be four options a bagel b croissant c donut d bear claw.

Hannah McCarthy: C donut.

Justine Paradis: Donut?

[MUX IN: Two Steps Back by Jules Gaia]

Felix Poon: Hannah got it right.

Nate Hegyi: Wow. Nice. Hannah.

Felix Poon: Toxic donut. So Hazel Johnson went on to be called the mother of Environmental justice for her work, she got the city to clean up local drinking water and air pollution. She also worked at the national level and served on the EPA's National Environmental Justice Advisory Council under Bill Clinton.

Nate Hegyi: Wow.

Felix Poon: Let's check the scores. so Justine has seven. Nate has eight and Hannah has six.

Felix Poon: Okay. So this will be our final round. And the category is songs about climate change, nature and the environment.

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So the way this will work. I'll start reading the lyrics to a classic song about or related to the environment, and if you know the song or the artist, you can shout it out and I'll give you a point for the song and a point for the artist. So if like one of you gets one, you know there's still a chance to get the other one.

Justine Paradis: This is a fun twist, because I was thinking that the only way to beat Nate is if me or Hannah got all four questions right. But now there's more possibility.

Nate Hegyi: Now it's I like this.

Felix Poon: However, if I get to the chorus or the name of the song is mentioned in the lyrics, then nobody gets it.

Justine Paradis: Okay. Okay.

Felix Poon: Their first song, poison is the wind that blows from the north and south and east. Oh, things ain't what they used to be.

Felix Poon: Oil wasted on the ocean and upon our seas.

Justine Paradis: Bob Dylan.

Felix Poon: Fish full of mercury. Oh! Oh, mercy, mercy me.

Nate Hegyi: Oh! Marvin Gaye.

Justine Paradis: Oh, wow.

Marvin Gaye: The oceans and upon our seas. Fish full of mercury.

Felix Poon: Okay, so no one gets a point for the song. But Nate gets a point for Marvin Gaye.

Marvin Gaye: Oh, mercy. Mercy me.

Felix Poon: Okay. Next song. Hey, farmer. Farmer, put away your DDT now.

Hannah McCarthy: Joni Mitchell, big yellow taxi.

Justine Paradis: Hey, farmer, farmer, put away the DDT.

Joni Mitchell: Now give me spots on my apples. But leave me the birds and the bees. Please don't.

Justine Paradis: Oh, what a voice.

Justine Paradis: Great song. I love that song.

Felix Poon: So Hannah gets two points for that paved Paradise.

Joni Mitchell: Put up a parking lot.

Felix Poon: Uh, next song I see trees of green, red roses.

Nate Hegyi: Louie, Louie Armstrong. What a wonderful world.

Justine Paradis: I couldn't do it. I know. I heard the growl.

Marvin Gaye: Trees of green.

Louis Armstrong: Red roses too. I see them bloom for me and you. And I think to myself. What a wonderful world.

Felix Poon: All right, so last song. This is the last chance to get a point or two. All right, here's the song. Well, I think it's fine. Building jumbo planes or taking a ride on a cosmic train. Switch on summer from a slot machine. Yes. Get what you want to if you want, Bob Dylan. Cause you can get anything. I know we've come a long way. We're changing day to day. But tell me.

Nate Hegyi: Oh.

Hannah McCarthy: Where do the children play?

Nate Hegyi: Nice.

Hannah McCarthy: And it's Cat Stevens.

Justine Paradis: Hannah gets.

Felix Poon: Two.

Justine Paradis: Points. Oh my God.

Justine Paradis: Just in time.

Hannah McCarthy: I should also say it's Cat Stevens.

Hannah McCarthy: Yusuf.

Hannah McCarthy: Because Cat Stevens now goes by Yusuf.

Cat Stevens / Yusuf: We're changing day to day. Tell me, where do the children play? All right.

Felix Poon: Let me tally up the scores. Drum roll please. Justine has seven, Hannah has ten, and Nate has 11.

Justine Paradis: That music round really wiped me out.

Felix Poon: Nate is our Winner.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah. I thought Hannah was gonna take me over in the the music round. She killed it there.

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Justine Paradis: Inaugural trivia.

Justine Paradis: Nicely done.

Nate Hegyi: Yeah. Good job. Felix.

Justine Paradis: Yeah.

Hannah McCarthy: Nice.

Justine Paradis: Felix.

Felix Poon: Thank you. How many points do I get?

Nate Hegyi: Uh, you get negative one.

Justine Paradis: Negative one.

Nate Hegyi: Negative.

Justine Paradis: One.

Nate Hegyi: It's really.

Justine Paradis: Good. Oh, yeah.

Justine Paradis: Didn't we establish that this is a thankless job?

Nate Hegyi: All right, that is it for today's trivia episode. And we want to know, how did you all do at home? Did you keep track? And also, do you have any requests for topics or future episodes of natural selection? You can email us and let us know at outside.in at nhpr.org. Or you can hit us up on social media. We're on almost all the platforms nowadays. Tiktok, Instagram, blue Sky, X, at Outside.in radio. Also Facebook at Outside.in radio. Uh. This episode was produced and mixed by Felix Poon. It was edited by our executive producer, Taylor Quimby. Our staff also includes Marina Henke and Jessica Hunt. Rebecca LaVoy is NHPR's director of on Demand audio. Outside in is production of New Hampshire Public Radio.