Cruise-o-nomics
This summer, more than 100 cruise ships will visit the small city of Portland, Maine, dropping thousands of passengers onto the city’s commercial waterfront for lobster rolls, local souvenirs and a quintessential New England experience.
But as Portland has rapidly become a landmark destination for cruise lines, a group of activists are calling into question the long held narrative that cruise ships provide a dependable economic boom.
Producer Marina Henke spent the months leading up to the 2025 cruise season charting these muddy waters. For small coastal cities like Portland, are cruise ships really the economic generator that the industry claims them to be?
Featuring JoAnn Locktov, Jack Humeniuk, Joe Redman, Jacques de Villier, Zach Rand, Brian Fournier, Kevin Rodriquez, Martha Honey, and Dan Kraus.
JoAnn Locktov, a founding member of Portland Cruise Control, documents the arrival of the first large ship of Portland’s 2025 cruise season. Photo by Marina Henke.
ADDITIONAL MATERIALS
Martha Honey is the co-founder of the Center for Responsible Travel. She’s the lead editor of the book “Cruise Tourism in the Caribbean: Selling Sunshine” which includes much of her own research on the economics of cruise ships.
You can find Portland Cruise Control on Bluesky or at their website, portlandcruisecontrolmaine.org.
In 2019, Colin Woodward published “Pier Pressure,” a three-part series out of The Portland Press Herald documenting the rise of the cruise industry across Maine.
Are you a Portland local? You can see a schedule of all cruise ship arrivals at maine.portcall.com
Portland is not the only city to face rapid cruise growth. Check out Cruise Boom, a PBS documentary focused on cruise politics in Sitka, Alaska.
To learn more about the increase of scrubber wash systems among ships check out this report done by the International Council on Clean Transportation. And, an updated list of scrubber wash bans by country or state lives here.
Maine souvenirs line a shop wall on Commercial Street. Photo by Marina Henke.
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CREDITS
Host: Nate Hegyi
Reported, produced, and mixed by Marina Henke
Editing by Taylor Quimby
Our staff also includes Justine Paradis and Felix Poon
Executive producer: Taylor Quimby
Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio
Music by Blue Dot sessions, El Flaco Collective and Matt Large.
Special thanks to Thomas Trott, Greg Gordon, Kevin Ward, Matthew Day, Ethan Hipple and Sarah Flink.
Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio
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[OCEAN AND SEAGULL SOUNDS]
Nate Hegyi: JoAnn Locktov lives in Portland, Maine. It’s a city that prides itself on that quintessential New England vibe. You know… rocky islands, lobster boats. On a rainy day… I guarantee it you are gonna hear a foghorn.
[MUX: The Gran Dias, Blue Dot]
[FOGHORN BLASTS IN DISTANCE AND FADES]
JoAnn Locktov: I think that our harbor is beautiful. I think Casco Bay is one of the thin places… It's… it's where, you know, the heavens and the earth meet, and it's very special.
Nate Hegyi: JoAnn moved here in 2021 from the West Coast. And it was a quiet first year. JoAnn and the rest of the world were still thawing out from the pandemic. But then…life started to return to normal. And in Portland… that means cruise ships.
JoAnn Locktov: The massive cruise ships that we have, the cruise ships that are up to 4500 passengers plus crew are such a menace to our harbor. Um, and this is a very personal bias that I have, not everyone shares this opinion, but when I see them, I see nothing but corporate greed.
Nate Hegyi: Cruise ships, it turns out, do not fit JoAnn’s vision of Portland. And we are talking about the big ones here: 19 decks, with casinos and full-on amusement rides on the roof.
[MUX FADE OUT]
Nate Hegyi: JoAnn… she used to work in Venice, Italy… and she had seen these exact ships do some serious damage to the old city – the constant waves coming from big ships had literally started to erode the city’s lagoon.
JoAnn Locktov: So I've witnessed firsthand what the cruise ships can do to a historic port city. And although Portland may be much, much younger than Venice, it is also a historic port city.
Nate Hegyi: JoAnn is now one of the leaders of a group that’s trying to fight the rapid growth of this industry in Portland. They’re called Portland Cruise Control.
[MUX: Delham Corner, Blue Dot]
Nate Hegyi: They’ve held community meetings, they’ve posted some pretty explosive NextDoor threads. And while they have plenty of support – they’ve also heard from a lot of detractors. People who think that cruise ships are a lifeline to Portland’s economy.
JoAnn Locktov: My major takeaway is that the cruise industry or the cruise ship discussion is very complicated and it's very emotional, and I don't think that's ever going to change.
[MUX SWELL AND FADE]
Nate Hegyi: This is Outside/In, a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. I’m Nate Hegyi. Every year, cities from Portland Maine to Port Canaveral, Florida to Palermo, Italy become inundated by tens of thousands of tourists flowing out of massive cruise ships that tower over the waterfront.
The industry is booming… bringing billions of dollars to the companies that own these ships – and supposedly to the towns where they dock.
Brian Fournier: Who cares if they spend $70 or $7, $700 that’s added money!
Nate Hegyi: But do they? Is the money spent by cruise passengers worth the costs?
Dan Kraus: Portland's been surviving long before the cruise ships are coming to port.
Nate Hegyi: Producer Marina Henke has spent the months leading up to this year’s cruise season trying to crunch the numbers. And what she’s found is that there are no easy answers.
Jacques de Villier: People like to complain, but when there's nobody on the street you're complaining there's nobody on the streets. So you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
Nate Hegyi: Stay with us.
Marina Henke: This is Outside/In. I’m Marina Henke. The people in Portland Cruise Control, like many cruise activists, are most focused on environmental concerns. Which makes sense, because this is an area where the science is pretty clear: Cruise ships aren’t great for the environment.
Marina Henke: They’ve got a big carbon footprint, release toxic gasses, even kill whales. And for port towns, there’s something called “scrubber wash discharge.”
JoAnn Locktov: And what that scrubber does is it takes the ocean water, and it uses it to literally wash the pollutants out of the smokestack. And then they have to go somewhere… and those pollutants are all dumped into the water.
Marina Henke: That’s JoAnn Locktov again, from Portland Cruise Control. She wants to see scrubber wash discharge banned in Portland… and she’s got a lot of backup on this point. Many countries have already blocked the discharge in their ports. But personally, JoAnn would also love to see fewer cruise ships… and fewer cruise tourists… altogether. And that’s where things can get emotional.
JoAnn Locktov: It's complicated because you're balancing a lot of information and trying to get to the truth of it. And it's also very emotional because people who cruise and love their cruises are absolutely never going to give them up, and they feel very much that it is their right. And it is actually their absolute right to take a cruise, and they're extremely adamant about it.
And then there's people like me who look at the other side of cruise ships, and I get very emotional. I mean, when I hear about a vessel strike that a whale's been killed, I kind of lose it. I mean, I burst into tears because I don't think a cruise ship has the right to take the life of a whale.
[MUX: The Maison, Blue Dot]
Marina Henke: To understand this mess of feelings, it’s important to understand how the city got here.Before the 1970s Portland, Maine was actually not a touristy place. If you stepped foot on the waterfront back then, you’d see it was all about industry.
Jack Humeniuk: Let's say they came here 80 years ago. They’da saw four grain ships all belching black diesel oil out of them.
Marina Henke: This is Jack Humeniek – he used to be an agent for the local longshoremen’s union and somebody who’s been a part of port development since the 70s.
Jack Humeniuk: … two cargo ships over there. Mountains of grain silos. Hundreds, hundreds of train cars in here.
Marina Henke: Jack is talking about Commercial Street – the main artery of Portland’s downtown that runs right along the water. On this street, industry boomed through both World Wars. But, after Portland lost a heavy cut of its shipping contracts, business slowed.
Jack Humeniuk: Late 60s, early 70s, it was a pretty depressing place. Everything along here was just old wooden decaying piers falling down. There were all wooden buildings, half, you know, crooked and all over the place.
Marina Henke: Maine’s nickname is “Vacationland.” Places like Bar Harbor, a couple hours up the coast, had already been a major tourist destination for generations. But the tour buses didn’t stop in Portland.
Jack Humeniuk: Yeah, Portland was not a tourist destination in Maine at all. They would go right by Portland, they would go to Freeport and go back and Portland would say, geez, we got all these tens of thousands of people passing by how can we get them to visit Portland?
Marina Henke: Why couldn’t Portland be a part of Vacationland as well? It was time… for a rebrand.
Archival Clip: Don’t let the summer pass by without cruising Casco Bay. Choose from 24 daytime and evening dails aboard Casco Bay Lines, Custom House Wharf, Portland.
[MUX: La Belle Nini, Epidemic]
Marina Henke: In the 80s and 90s… Portland started to transform: fancier restaurants, charter boats & bus tours. The economy picked back up.
TRAVEL VLOG CLIP MONTAGE: Portland Maine was the first stop on our… Welcome to Portland Maine a charming coastal city….Today we’re going to talk all about the PORT of Portland, Maine.
Marina Henke: And then, one of the city’s biggest tourist makeovers yet: cruise lines. In 2006, the city made a multi-million dollar gamble and built Ocean Gateway Terminal – a visitors center that would welcome passengers instead of products. At first it was just a few. But the ships kept coming and… they got bigger.
TRAVEL VLOG CLIP: Alright guys we’re right outside of the Portland Lobster Company and the locals tell me this is THE place to get a traditional lobster roll sandwich…
Marina Henke: Fast forward twenty years, and gone are the stinky tankers and live cattle. Today Commercial Street is a place of ice cream shops, T-shirt stores, and very fancy donuts. Want a lobster stuffed animal? I can recommend 3 places.
Marina Henke: Bar Harbor used to take in the majority of cruise tourists across the state. Now? It’s Portland. This year, more than 100 ships are scheduled to bring almost 200,000 passengers into the city.
[MUX SWELL AND FADE]
Marina Henke: JoAnn, with Portland Cruise Control, looks at this boom in the cruise industry with some pretty deep suspicion.
JoAnn Locktov: So in the sense that no one's really questioning the cruise ships, I feel that it's been very reactive. “Oh, great. Show up. The more the merrier!” And so far it hasn’t really been a problem for anyone until Portland Cruise Control showed up.
Marina Henke: She knows the city relies on tourists – but she thinks the cruise industry has done a wonderful job conflating tourism… with CRUISE tourism. It feels like a bit of a magic trick.
JoAnn Locktov: Are we a locals first economy or are we a tourist first economy? And how do our decisions flow from that premise?
Marina Henke: Now there’s no question that the city makes money from cruise lines. I spoke with an official who told me last year Portland made around 3 million dollars in what are called “terminal fees.” But JoAnn’s quick to point out, this is restricted revenue. By law, it has to go back into the waterfront.
JoAnn Locktov: It cannot be spent on the roads or the lights or the schools or anything else that Portland may desperately need money for. It must go back into infrastructure for the port.
Marina Henke: Much of the cruise argument then, hinges on local business. Everything – the crowds, the pollution, the massive ships visible from all over town – all of it’s worth it, as long as the locals are profiting enough to put up with it. So… are they?
[MUX: BossaBoa, BlueDot]
Marina Henke: I wanted to hear directly from the folks who supposedly benefit from cruises. So this April, I walked down to the Old Port. It was rainy and cold, the exact type of weather during a New England spring that makes you doubt why you live in Maine.
Marina Henke: Do you all do tailoring?
Joe Redman: Yeah, we have a tailor. We have our own tailor.
Marina Henke: Joe Redman’s ran a luxury men’s clothing store in the Old Port since the 1970s. He says he definitely sees more foot traffic when the cruises pull into town.
Joe Redman: Well oftentimes the sidewalks are very busy and most of the people are very nice.
Marina Henke: The problem for Joe is that… these nice cruise passengers coming off of these big ships usually don’t buy much.
Joe Redman: And I know that they do support some businesses, but they don't really support, um,the ones that are really well thought out and have been here a while and selling upscale things.
Marina Henke: There’s the restaurants, who depend on September and October cruises to help with a quieter shoulder season.
Zach Rand: For me personally running a restaurant, um, you know, we'd like to take all the business we can get.
Marina Henke: This is Zach Rand, the general manager at the very popular Becky’s Diner.
Zach Rand: It's not, you don't generally want to thumb your nose at your business or turn people away.
Marina Henke: And then there’s the businesses that see much clearer profits from cruise tourists. The souvenir shops make a killing. There’s a popular ice cream store that told me they get 20% of their revenue from cruises.
Trying to sort out these numbers – whether they mean a lot or a little – has turned many a stakeholder into a kind of armchair mathematician. It’s made for some funky numbers.
For years the city was using a University of Maine paper that recorded cruise passenger expenses at about $109 per person per day. Ten years and one new survey later, that number plummeted to 69.
[STORE AMBI IN AND MUX FADES OUT]
Marina Henke: I think these contradictions can all be summarized by this one guy I met. Just down the street from the suit store is a wine store owned by a guy named Jacques de Villier.
Now importantly, cruise passengers can’t bring any food or liquid back onto their ship. You’d think that Jacques then might be a little less than thrilled about the arrival of 4,000 tourists who can’t buy a single product from his store.
Jacques de Villier: But the value is there going to come back to Portland? They're going to say, oh, do you remember we went to Portland and how nice it was?
Marina Henke: It’s an act of faith for Jacques. And, his honest take?
Jacques de Villier: People like to complain. They like, oh they're blocking the streets. Well yeah they do it's summertime. But when there's nobody on the street you're complaining, there's nobody on the streets. So you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
Marina Henke: This fear of empty streets… of tumbleweed blowing down Commercial Street – it was the biggest thing to come up when I asked store owners to imagine a Portland without big ships. Tourism, really an anxiety of it disappearing, sits heavy in the Old Port.
Marina Henke: Is there a moment and you could just say, it's gotten too far? Like what would be the sign of.
Jacques de Villier: Oh no! When I'm driving down the road and it takes me 20 minutes. Oh, that's to… I hate them. I hate them. I'm like, Jesus Christ, get out of the road!!! But of course, I was in New Orleans yesterday, I'm standing there going, I'm like, oh, I'm the I'm that tourist and I’m sure there’s some guy saying “GET OUT OF THE ROAD!”
Marina Henke: For business-owners, the cruise ships might be a mixed bag. But, there’s another group of people who see this as pretty black and white.
Security guards, boat captains, longshoremen – these are the folks that in some way directly credit cruise tourism with their livelihood. And, miss this part of the equation in the economics conversation and you’re gonna hear about it.
Brian Fournier: I'm a valet parking lot attendant for the Port of Portland. I am, I am driving these ships and putting them in a parking spot.
Marina Henke: This is Brian Fournier, he runs a tugboat operation. I met with him and one of his captains, Kevin Rodriquez, in the Port Security Office. Imagine a command station on a spaceship but with a bunch of buoy decorations.
When JoAnn talks about Portland’s choice to be a local’s first economy.. these guys are locals. And this is the economy they want.
Brian Fournier: We accommodate for… for commerce, for water driven commerce, for water borne. That's our livelihood.
[MUX: Sebring, Blue Dot]
Marina Henke: If you can’t tell, these two guys are really pro-cruise. In fact, Brian and Kevin think Portland hasn’t even hit its cruise capacity. But other cities have decided… there comes a point when it’s just too much.
Remember Bar Harbor? They used to be the cruise ship capital of Maine? Well, three years ago the town placed a passenger cap on vessels over 1,000 people. I brought it up.
Marina Henke: Kevin, you're wearing a Bar Harbor shirt. Have you been following the Bar Harbor? The Bar Harbor cap? The ship caps in Bar Harbor. They banned. So cruise ships you can't have now in Bar Harbor cruise ships over a thousand people.
Kevin Rodriguez: Um, that cuts out a lot of ships. Wow. Where are they?
Brian Fournier: Where are they going to end up?
Marina Henke: You're pointing outside.
Brian Fournier: We have a sign outside on the… “open for business.” Come in. Take a turn right here. Either left or right. We don't. Come on in. We're open. Come on in.
[MUX SWELL]
JoAnn Locktov: I think that the economy is a really imperative part of the discussion.
Marina Henke: JoAnn Locktov, of Portland Cruise Control, has heard all of these arguments before.
[MUX FADES]
JoAnn Locktov: And I think that it's really important to understand where there are businesses that gain from the economy and from cruise passengers, and what it means to them.
Marina Henke: JoAnn is aware of the irony in her situation.
There’s an air of NIMBYism that can surround cruise activism, particularly in a place like Maine. Critics will argue that people are more concerned with their view of the water, than jobs down on the docks.
Plus, JoAnn has only lived in Maine a few years – a state hesitant to call you a local if your grandparents didn’t grow up here.
That’s why she makes it clear that Portland Cruise Control is NOT against the local economy.
JoAnn Locktov: I don't want to take away cruise passengers and say, no, you can't have that customer anymore that's so important to you. But what if we could get you a different customer? A customer that maybe, perhaps would spend more money in your shop, and a customer that didn't have the same carbon footprint as a cruise passenger.
Marina Henke: So who is that customer? That’s coming up… after a break.
[MUX FADE]
MIDROLL
Marina Henke: This is Outside/In a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. I’m Marina Henke. In the early 2010s Martha Honey was studying sustainable tourism in Cuba. The Obama administration had just opened the country to US tourism… and US tourism meant cruises.
Martha Honey: And it became apparent that Cuba could really use some good analysis of the economic benefits of of cruise tourism in other destinations in the Caribbean.
Marina Henke: To start off, Martha and her team began to review the research already out there. And what they found was a lot of data put out by the cruise industry itself. This was not peer-reviewed science.
Martha Honey: So the main message was that cruise tourism is a really good economic investment, and that you increase your numbers quickly, and you will also grow your earnings from tourism quickly.
Marina Henke: But as they dug in, Martha and her team began to find the numbers weren’t as clear cut.
[MUX: Locker 08, Blue Dot]
Marina Henke: To explain, I need to outline two types of tourism. First, there are “stay-over visitors.” These are your typical vacationers, staying overnight, for maybe a couple of days.
And then there are cruise ship passengers: stopping off for an afternoon, and then getting right back on the ship.
In 2015, the Caribbean islands saw about an equal number of each type… and together, they generated around $30 billion in revenue.
Martha Honey: What the CTO figures, the Caribbean Tourism Organization, statistics showed was that cruise tourism was generating $2.8 billion of the 30 billion, and stay over tourism was generating 28.2 billion.
Marina Henke: This may be kind of obvious, but it’s worth restating. The people who ate and slept and bought on the mainland everyday contributed about 12 times more tourism revenue than cruise passengers.
Martha Honey: Really stay-over tourism is what I would call high value tourism. Cruise tourism is high volume tourism. So you're really comparing high value to high volume. And that is extremely important.
[MUX SWELL]
Marina Henke: Martha’s team found other discrepancies between the economic story the cruise industry tells… and the reality in the places where they dock.
Cruise lines often partner with local tour operators & shops to specially advertise their products onboard. But those local businesses don’t make as much money as you might think.
Martha Honey: Basically what happens with these tours that are sold on the ship… a large percentage of the selling price goes back to the cruise line. What we have found that often times it's as much as half.
[MUX SWELL & FADE]
Marina Henke: The last thing Martha brought up is something you will hear a lot. Cruise lines will tell you passengers fall in love with destinations like Portland, and come back to spend more money later. Jacques – the wine store owner – said the exact same thing to me.
Jacques de Villier: There going to come back to Portland? They're going to say, oh, do you remember we went to Portland and how nice it was?
Marina Henke: Martha thinks it’s hard to put a lot of stock in this “conversion theory.” She ended up taking a look at some of the data in Maine for me.
Martha Honecy: Over 40% of the people who were surveyed said that they had been in Maine before. So it's hard for the cruise lines to claim that they are attracting all these people back to Maine, since close to half were already familiar with, with Maine.
Marina Henke: And, there have been some other studies to show that overwhelmingly what cruise passengers are most likely to return to… is another cruise. All of these things throw a wrench in this whole narrative: That cruises are a HUGE part of the tourism economy.
Visually – psychically – the cruises have a huge impact on the town of Portland.
But if you do the math… all those cruise passengers make up about 5% of all tourists coming to the Greater Portland region each year.
[BEAT]
[MUX: King Billy, Blue Dot]
Marina Henke: Is that relatively small slice worth the cost? For JoAnn Locktov, over at Portland Cruise Control, the answer is no.
JoAnn Locktov: What are the medical costs? What is happening with asthma? What is happening with lung cancer? What is happening with bronchitis?
Marina Henke: For all the fuzzy math about the benefits of cruise ships… there are costs too… ones that the industry doesn’t often talk about.
When a norovirus walks off a cruise ship and spreads through the town, that costs money. When Portland needs to hire crossing guards to manage crowds, that costs money.
And if locals and day visitors avoid downtown shops because of cruise crowds, you guessed it. Money.
JoAnn Locktov: What happens to the residents when they can't participate in their own city?
[MUX FADES]
Marina Henke: For JoAnn, this is the opportunity cost that plagues her the most. But it’s impossible to say how much these costs add up to – because Portland has never run a cost benefit analysis of the industry.
So she’s often left relying on anecdotes heard around town. She brings up a story a woman told her about how she’s come to dread picking up fish from the local market on Commercial Street.
JoAnn Locktov: She's terrified of driving down and going to Harbor Fish Market and literally hitting a cruise ship passenger because she said they don't watch where they're going, they don't use crosswalks, they're on their phones. They're taking pictures. They often trave in groups and they're all chatting and they're having a grand old time. But as someone who's a resident who wants to be able to purchase her fresh fish having those cruise ships in port have prevented her from doing that.
[MUX: Etude, Blue Dot]
Marina Henke: The thing is… tourism can change the fabric of a city.
Portland is not the only example of this creep towards sameness. There have been coastal towns across the country where local shops are replaced by big box stores or out-of-state investors, knock-off trinkets made overseas. Some of those stores exist on Commercial Street right now.
And for some, that can make the neighborhood feel less like a community and more like an outdoor airport terminal.
This to me is a far more compelling point than a spoiled view. I’m a transplant to Portland myself, and am skeptical when people from away double down on some vision of a “real Maine.”
[STORE AMBI]
Harbor Fish Market Worker: You’re looking for Dan?
Marina Henke: I'm looking for Dan….
[STORE AMBI UNDER]
Marina Henke: I decided to walk down to the Harbor Fish Market. It would be my last interview for this story.
The floors are wet, the air is… well… fishy. Harbor Fish has been around for nearly 60 years, but there’s been a fish market on this pier since the 1800s.
Today the store’s pretty empty. A few people walk in carrying reusable bags from our local grocery store.
But during the summer it’s a different story. To stay on top of cruise season, Dan Kraus, the operations manager, keeps a copy of the ship schedules taped right next to a row of lobster tanks.
Marina: Oh my gosh it’s all right there!
Dan Kraus: On the first we got another one… the second… we know every single day how many passengers and how many boats are going to be here. Like on June 11th, 2259 passengers on the Island Princesses coming in.
Marina Henke: You think we'll be crazy here on June 11th?
Dan Kraus: Yes. (Laughs)
Now, remember cruise passengers can’t bring back any food onto their ships. So, even though Dan and his team aren’t a restaurant … they make some adjustments come summertime.
Dan Kraus: we try to come up with some little creative snacks people can get off the cruise ship.
Marina Henke: Bite-sized lobster rolls. Miniature shrimp cocktails. On big cruise days, Dan feels a little bit like a high school football coach rallying a team before a big game.
Dan Kraus: It's just like, all right, guys, let's make sure that the displays are iced, everything's stocked. There's a family over there! Can one of you guys go talk to them a little bit about lobsters? Let the kids hold the lobsters.
Marina Henke: At the same time, he’s keeping an eye out for the customers that are actually there to spend money.
You make sure you can identify who that consumer is when they're in the store, and that their needs are being filled and not just they're not being overlooked because we have people in here wanting to just gaze and take pictures and ask us, where's the best lobster roll in Maine?
[MUX:, Delicious, BlueDot]
Marina Henke: Harbor Fish Market isn’t like the ice cream store I talked to that may not survive without the ships. Dan and the rest of his team don’t depend on these ships at all. They’re just the type of store that’s caught in the crossroads of a changing city.
Dan says on cruise days they become both a store and sort of a Maine-themed amusement park.
Ships aren’t going to put them out of business, but they change who and how they have to be.
Dan: Even though they're not stupid questions they can become a little repetitive in the course of an hour. Where's the best place to get a lobster roll? I'm not from here. Where do the locals eat? The locals? In the summertime? We don't eat in Portland. We eat at home.
[FADE DOWN OF MARINA & DAN LAUGHING]
[MUX UP AND FADE]
[CREDITS MUX: Alicante, Epidemic]
Nate Hegyi: This episode was reported, produced and mixed by Marina Henke. It was edited by our stalwart captain executive producer, Taylor Quimby.
I’m your host, Nate Hegyi. Rebecca Lavoie is our head of on demand audio. Our team also includes Justine Paradis and Felix Poon.
Special thanks to Thomas Trott, Greg Gordon, Kevin Ward, Matthew Day, Ethan Hipple, and Sarah Flink.
Music in this episode came from Blue Dot Sessions, El Flaco Collective and Matt Large.
“BOoooommmm” is that a good cruise ship horn?
[CRUISE SHIP HORN]
Nate Hegyi: Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio.
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